Slam poetry, teen section, Christy, murder, road trips, awards, and pooch: author Patrick Flores Scott
Charlie Barshaw coordinates our regular Writer Spotlight feature and interviews writers of SCBWI-MI. In this piece, meet author Patrick Flores Scott.
You grew up on the West Coast, and became a teacher. In
2005, you started writing. What was the catalyst? Where did the writing bug
come from?
I had written plays with friends and acted in the past. So I had already been a creative person. I found myself in a period where I needed a creative project. One presented itself when I started working with struggling middle school readers.
I saw a lot of them carrying around chunky popular novels that I knew they were struggling to get through. I thought there was a need for more of those high interest, lower reading level books so those emergent readers wouldn’t have to dip into material for younger readers in order to find reading success.
Fortunately, in a middle school there are a lot
of real-life characters and real drama that I could draw from as I set out to
write my first novel, Jumped In. It only took me eight years to get it
published.
Patrick taught public school in Seattle, Washington, for many years and has written for theater and the slam poetry stage. Care to
talk about your experience with writing for theater? What is slam poetry?
I wrote four plays with writing partners. In all four
cases, we were going to produce and act in the plays. There is a lot
that you can get away with in the writing when you know you’re going to be
delivering the lines. So there was a lot of craft learning when I made the
switch to prose. I do miss the back and forth of collaborative writing a lot.
I’d love to get into a collaborative project again.
Slam poetry is poetry that is meant to be performed. There
is a lot of leeway within that. I wrote and performed at some poetry slams
(competitive poetry!) about the same time I was writing Jumped In. That
experience made its way into the book.
When I thought my draft was ready, I went to the library in search of a book that looked and felt like Jumped In. I thought, "If an agent liked this, they might be into my book." I picked up S.A. Harazin's Blood Brothers, and found out that her agent was Steven Chudney. I sent him a query letter and pages of the novel. He liked it. It happened really fast and I consider myself extremely lucky.
Brilliant strategy. Was
it your idea entirely, or did you get hints along the way?
I had actually queried an agent once years before when I
was not at all ready to do so. I got a form rejection and sat with it
for a long time. I didn’t feel the rejection emotionally at all. It was just
like, there’s a bureaucracy with all these doors and I didn’t know which door
to knock on. I realized that I didn’t know anything about that agent. I needed
to zero in.
There came a day I was in a library after years of working on the novel. I closed my laptop and thought, I’ve done everything I can. It’s time to get an agent.
I didn’t know where to get started with an
online search, but there was a teen section full of books just steps away. In
retrospect, it feels like I came up with a pretty good strategy. But really, it
was a timing thing. I needed an agent in that moment. And there was a wall of
YA books right there. I had the time. So walking to that wall was the only
possible next step.
Christy Ottaviano is editorial royalty. What was your
experience, as a debut novelist, working with her?
Christy is so nice right off the bat. Her first editorial
note was that I had to cut twenty out of my first sixty pages. Okay, huh?
Not so nice! I have to subtract one out of every three pages? And I need to do
that twenty times?
My first complete draft of Jumped In was sixty-five pages. I gave it to readers at that length (note: I didn’t have a clue what I was doing). From that first draft, I was always growing and building and stretching the story.
By the time I got it to Christy, it had gotten a little fat. I didn’t realize it, of course. So her note came as a shock. But I figured I had to take the note. In the end, cutting those twenty pages made the book flow a lot better.
The experience of cutting pages full of pretty darn good writing ended up being a huge learning process for me. I learned that just because sentences are well-crafted and you’ve spent a lot of time making them great, doesn’t mean they’re actually serving the book.
I learned to enjoy cutting! I learned to take
a note and trust that I’m going to find something new in the process of
addressing it. And I learned to trust Christy.
The book is a little funky. There are poems that show up out of nowhere and, for a time, the reader doesn’t know those poems are from a different voice than the first-person narration.
And when Christy first got the
book, I now realize that it didn’t fully work. But she just made it really
clear that she believed in the book and she believed in me, and it was
inevitable that we were going to get it where it needed to be. She’s
great.
There’s a short YouTube video where you’re asked about a time your book made a difference to a reader. You said you were teaching high school reluctant readers, and you wanted to write a story that they’d want to read. You succeeded, in that a teen reader took on Jumped In, and it was the first novel she ever finished.
But she only gave the book 4 stars because
(spoiler!) her favorite character dies at the end. She said she’d never be able
to forgive the author. Did you have a version of the story where Luis didn’t
die? American Road Trip, (spoiler!) doesn’t have a character die. Did
her reaction help temper your authorial bloodlust?
| Patrick at a school visit |
I think that readers’ amazing review came way after I’d written American Road Trip. But speaking of bloodlust…American Road Trip ends up with the protagonist and his vet brother ending up on their great uncle’s farm. The uncle is a calming, nurturing stabilizer in the book. He’s going to help the vet brother settle down and get healthy and he’s going to give him this new skill in teaching him how to farm the land.
So…I thought if I was ever asked to write the sequel to American Road Trip, it would start at the uncle’s funeral so the brothers would be destabilized and grieving and have to figure out next steps alone. Alas…that book was never written and there were no deaths in No Going Back, so, by my math I haven’t murdered any characters since my first book.
But I will not hesitate to murder characters in the future.
| Patrick titled this "Big glasses." |
Who was the odd-person out? How do you and your
siblings get along now that you’re all adults?
I guess I wasn’t in the enemies group. It was a really
hard time and there was a lot of legit volatile energy in that car—not all that
different, really, from the mental health crisis going on in the car in American
Road Trip. We definitely didn’t understand it that at the time. We were
reading anger and spite when the reality was a health issue and a fight for
survival.
My sisters and I get along now. It’s complicated, of
course. But much less complicated than back then. We love each other, but
somewhere deep there’s work happening to separate who we’ve become from who we
were back then. I wish that wasn’t the case.
You said your many road trips were predicated on speed, on
wanting to get from here to there. You’ve since embraced the journey,
and expressed a desire to take your family on a more leisurely trek. Have you
been able to? What are some dream road trips in your future?
We went on a really great trip from Ann Arbor to Mackinaw Island. We got a little trailer during COVID and we hit the road! And we learned…that we are not trailer people. Camping is good. But let’s just say I’m not wired for maintaining all the systems on a trailer.
Later, we drove to Orlando (no trailer). A great trip down there. The best part was seeing the beauty of Appalachia. I’m from out west, so that was new to me. We ended up wrecking the rental car in Orlando…okay, it wasn’t “we.” I was at the wheel.
We’re still looking for that leisurely trek. Oh, wait, we just made it from Ann
Arbor to Niagra Falls and back last summer. Zero issues! Totally leisurely and
fun. Through Canada on the way. And back on this side of the border. Great
trip. I totally recommend it.
Tell us about Carol Lombardozzi-O’Callaghan.
Good old Carol! I wrote about her in a Mitten post from 2018. Carol is the editor you call on when you’re in the thick of the rejection process. I was lucky to get some really good responses in rejection e-mails for Jumped In. However, after a while, I focused less on the really good responses and more on the rejections.
So, in a moment of feeling down, I
wrote a letter to my agent from the famous editor, Carol Lombardozi-O’Callaghan.
It was basically a list of every nice thing every rejecting editor had said
about Jumped In. It’s a great letter! It helped put me back in the
mindset that the years of work I’d put into writing Jumped In had led
something that was worth fighting for. To see the original post and the letter:
https://scbwimithemitten.blogspot.com/2018/09/rejection-remix-by-patrick-flores-scott.html
Your most recent novel, No Going Back, like all of
your titles, has garnered a ton of praise, starred reviews and awards. What are some the honors that have been
bestowed on each book? Does this recognition give you a leg up when trying to
market your next work?
| Patrick was an Amelia Walden finalist for Jumped In |
Jumped In won the Washington State Book Award and was a finalist for the National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE) Amelia Elizabeth Walden Award. That book wasn’t a big seller, so that little bit of critical acclaim was really helpful when it came time for Christy to take American Road Trip to acquisition.
American Road Trip got the starred reviews, state award nominations, a nice little NY Times review, and before the big ALA awards, I got the head’s up that it was one of nineteen books in the room where they were deciding on the Printz Award. I knew that wasn’t going to happen because there were so many big and terrific novels that year.
But all of it was really helpful again, when it came to selling No Going Back. No Going Back received the gold standard from Junior Library Guild and really good reviews. But zero stars. Not a one! I am so proud of No Going Back! I love that book! But it hasn’t been a seller at all.
It’s been a little challenge to, once again, reframe my brain, to focus on the joy I had writing that book. The great feeling when the story came together. The love for those characters. And to realize that I did my thing and market forces did their thing. And one isn’t necessary a reflection of the other.
I made that pivot and I’m in one of the most creative periods of my life. I’m working mostly on a couple little kid books and a bunch of grown-up short stories. I’ve come to this realization that my brain is more geared to working on shorter material.
Between my super-slow writing and the glacial pace of the publishing industry, it took me eight, nine, and nine years each (with a lot of overlap) to get my books published. I want to feel what it is to finish more often.
Writing is writing, so there’s nothing easier about
shorter pieces. But I’m revising an entire short story in a few hours now. That
revision is a version of finishing for me. I come upstairs from
my office walking on air. There is nothing like completing a novel, but I’m finding
I love working at this new pace.
Each of your novels took numerous rewrites and many years
from concept to book birthday. No Going Back was no different. Where did
the idea come from, and what did it take to make it a reality? Did your writing
process differ from your first two novels?
After college, I briefly worked teaching improv drama to incarcerated kids at a little prison in the woods near my home in Western Washington. I always thought I wanted to try to look at the life of a teen leaving the carceral system. The writing process was pretty different. I was trying to write it as a novel in verse for years. My agent at the time, Steven Chudney, gave me a little pep-talk (ass kicking?) in which he explained to me that I had better give him a novel, and soon.
He did a great job of guiding me
through the process of turning a mess of poems and poetry styles into a pretty
straightforward prose narrative, supported by poetic flash-backs. I’m really
grateful for Steven’s insistence that I (a theme here?) pivot and write
based on my strengths. The novel came pretty fast from there.
One of your short stories made it into a published
collection, I See Reality. Three YA novels suggest you’ve embraced
long-form storytelling. Are your short stories remnants of longer works? How
did your story end up in Reality?
McMillan decided to do a short story collection by some of their YA authors. Christy got me the gig! She asked me to do it and I couldn’t say no even though I had only written one short story previously—and that was for an English class in high school. I found my inspiration in a news article. Christy and I had a little brainstorm and that helped me get going.
The short stories I’m working on came from rough drafts I did for a story club group I was a part of with some screenwriting friends. Our goal was to push out one story each month. We emailed the stories to each other. We were all to read the stories, but give no critical feedback. The goal was to write, not to perfect. It was great.
I would always wait until the last minute to write my story and inevitably, I’d end up with some quirky, desperate middle-age character dealing with some little conflict in the most absurd way. I began to see where my creative mind was pushing me.
Three published YA novels, bristling with issues, heart, and
trauma. Now you’re considering a middle grade graphic novel with a
megalomaniacal pooch who may eventually solve crimes. A big change in form and
attitude. What’s your thought process?
I know it seems like a big change. But I think the weird thing might be that I wrote three super earnest young adult novels. I love those novels. But I’ve always dabbled in different forms. And a lot of creative silliness. I had the good fortune to get representation and a terrific editor and to get Jumped In published.
Then there was the expectation that I keep going with more books in that vein. I was more than happy (thrilled!) to oblige and walk that path for a while.
Now it feels like I’m back to my normal
state of dabbling in this and that and using creative time to entertain myself
with a mega maniacal pooch and short stories about all manner of misfits.
We’ll see when the dabbling journey brings me back to YA.
You are one of four Michigan children’s authors on the BookSmitten podcast. The second season was the four of you novelists trying your
hand at picture books. What did you learn about the writing required for some
of the youngest readers?
In an effort to learn more about children’s books, we always seem to drift toward the technical. All the business of publishing stuff, and the supposed “rules” of picture books—pages, word counts, what you can and cannot say in a pb—but the learning really came in connecting with writers who come from a deep place of wonder, searching, empathizing, digging…all the heart stuff. You have to begin there.
And you have travel in
that place of wonder and discovery for as long as you can. The other stuff is
the craft and business work will come a lot easier after you’ve spent that slow
time digging deep.
What’s next?
This answer to me is more about process. Next means
finding a way to sit at my desk with an open, clear mind every morning. Then
see what happens.
Any social media you care to share:
@patrickfloresscottwrites for instagram
Also, Booksmitten Podcast on all the platforms:
You and your family moved from Seattle to Ann Arbor. How
different is the weather? How different is the attitude? Any similarities?
Various bios mention that you’re a stay-at-home dad and
early morning writer. Does one have something to do with the other?




